ok, i understand now that Eagle is in the public domain some how (i'm still don't know if it was freeware or has been abandoned and released). the question is, where can i get a copy? or is it protel that's free now? i'm really doing far too many things lately and the wheels are spinning a bit.... thanks. -- http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList mailto:piclist-unsubscribe-request@mitvma.mit.edu