You may want to compare the cost of creating a bootloader with the cost o= f a XCSB Pro compiler. I suspect that it would still be a bargain but pro= bably more to the point it is far easier to support a standard package th= an support a one off distribution. In the true flavor of profit you would both be ahead. w.. Tato wrote: >=20 > >Despite his assertion that he is prepared to pay for help I seriously > >doubt this. >=20 > Wait a minut Sergio, as I said I'm willing to pay for a bootloader but > you said I have to buy the XCSB Pro compiler to get the bootloader. I > said I will pay for a bootloader not the whole compiler. >=20 > Octavio Nogueira > Tato Equipamentos Eletr=F4nicos Ltda > (11) 5506-5335 > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > nogueira@tato.ind.br ICQ# 222558485 > BASIC Step - O microcontrolador mais f=E1cil do mercado > BASCOM - O mais poderoso compilador BASIC para ATMEL > http://www.tato.ind.br > ProPic tools - low cost PIC programmer and emulator > http://www.propic2.com > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >=20 > -----Mensagem original----- > De: pic microcontroller discussion list [mailto:PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU] > Em nome de Byron A Jeff > Enviada em: segunda-feira, 14 de junho de 2004 10:26 > Para: PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU > Assunto: Licensing of external software for commercial use: (was Re: > [PIC:] 16F819 bootloader) >=20 > On Mon, Jun 14, 2004 at 04:50:25AM +0100, Sergio Masci wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Byron A Jeff > > To: > > Sent: Monday, June 14, 2004 2:25 AM > > Subject: Re: [PIC:] 16F819 bootloader > > > > > > > On Sun, Jun 13, 2004 at 09:18:39PM -0300, Octavio Nogueira wrote: > > > > The 16F88 pic has the same requirement as 16F819 so a 16F88 > > > > bootloader will work on 16F819 with minor changes. > > > > > > > > Now where I can find one? > > > > > > You're out ahead of the curve. Did you try the changes I suggested > > > yesterday? Did they work? Did it erase? I do believe that a > > > 16F81X/16F8X bootloader is a matter of minor changes to a 16F87XA > > > bootloader. > > > > > > BAJ > > > > Hi Byron, > > > > I actually informed Octavio that the 16F88 is programmed the same way > > as the 16F819 and that I have written a bootloader for the 88 that he > > can buy from me. >=20 > Which in fact should solve his problem. >=20 > > I have not heard back from him regarding this but given his latest > > posting I am in no doubt that he is now acting on the email I sent > > him. >=20 > May he felt compelled to take a spin around the free route before > getting back to you? I have no clue. >=20 > > > > Despite his assertion that he is prepared to pay for help I seriously > > doubt this. I wrote my own bootloader from scratch because I felt it > > was wrong to rip off someone else and include their bootloader in my > > commercial software. >=20 > That is absolutely correct, except in the case where the author gives > you specfic permission to do so. That's why I was in fact taking a few > minutes to see what license, if any Tiny had available. >=20 > > I really don't expect any recompense for helping hobbyists and > > students but I do for helping professionals who are using my work to > > earn money themselves. >=20 > As it should be, again except in the case of Open Source, where the > author specifically gives permission. >=20 > I've always wanted an Open Source license that required royalties for > commercial use. Like you I think it's fair to give back a portion of th= e > proceeds when you incorporate someone else's work, then sell it. But > issues in the distribution of royalites (You write 3000 lines of code > (LOC) initiating the project, I then add a 50 LOC function enhancing it. > Do I get a cut of the > royalties?) and the inevitable enforcement issue had curtailed the > quest. >=20 > BAJ >=20 > -- > http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList > mailto:piclist-unsubscribe-request@mitvma.mit.edu >=20 > __________ NOD32 1.788 (20040614) Information __________ >=20 > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.nod32.co= m >=20 > -- > http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList > mailto:piclist-unsubscribe-request@mitvma.mit.edu -- http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList mailto:piclist-unsubscribe-request@mitvma.mit.edu