Jake Anderson wrote: > you sure you guys need the milisecond timing and stuff about people slowly > stepping on it things like that? On the most extreme possible settings (300bpm, within 1/32 beat), to get perfect points one pad can need to be hit within +=6.25 ms, giving a 12.5ms window. On more reasonable settings, it's more like two to ten times that, but some of the better players actually approach the limits. There's also an unavoidable 1-5ms between each time the console polls the pad. As far as people gradually stepping on pads, it does happen occasionally. Step-and-hold happens all the time, though, and I think most of the difficulties in detecting step-and-hold are the same as in detecting gradual pressure. -Rick Luddy -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details.