Ok hee i an off the wall idea, but sometimes such things work. I read a long time ago. that someone wanted to roll theirown capacitors. The solution was to use tin foil and wax paper. Perhaps this may work in your situation in which each pad is sandwiched with tin foil and wax paper and then measuring the capacitance or either time in an RC configuration Just a thought Eddie Turner, kc4awz -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details.