goldmine or are selling an ultrasonic level detector/pump controller surplus, and cheaply as i recall. alternately, motorola is making an e-field/capacitance sensor chip that can easily be used for non-contact level sensing of conductive or nonconductive fluids. you putt a couple of electrodes down the inside walls of a length of pvc pipe and look at the capacitance change. alternately, for and non-continous output you can just put 2 sensors at the level you care about and look at the large change in value as the fluid covers/uncovers that part of the pipe. the capacitance approach should be highly durable, easily cleaned and relatively insensitive to dirt/oil etc. and will work with oils or other insulators as well as water (though the values will be different depending on the fluid involved), and you are only passing a very slight low frequency field through the fluid with no dc component, no electrode contact, etc. -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The list server can filter out subtopics (like ads or off topics) for you. See http://www.piclist.com/#topics