> Sorry if this info is vague, I just wanted to see if this is > a common problem, and I'm just seeking a quick fix rather > than spending hours upon hours of reading to find the answer > (which I will do if this isn't a common problem). http://www.voti.nl/blink shows ICSP circuits for most flash PICs. No, an xtal is not needed. Wouter van Ooijen -- ------------------------------------------- Van Ooijen Technische Informatica: www.voti.nl consultancy, development, PICmicro products -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The list server can filter out subtopics (like ads or off topics) for you. See http://www.piclist.com/#topics