And besides, AFAIK, the VAX 11/780 was used as the reference for 1 VUPS ("Vax Units of Processing Speed" or something like that). Now 1 VUPS was/is *aprox* 1 MIPS, but the 11/780 was *exactly* 1 VUPS (since that was the definition...) Not that it matters much, but.... :-) Jan-Erik. -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details.