Is there a shareware or freeware version of basic for dos/windows? (I've mostly been using macs for a while and haven't used dos or windows for a while). I'll be programming some pic16f688 chips and need to write a programing program (taking hex files for input) to use a parallel port programer (similar to most of those on the piclist web site). Once it's working i will of course post the schematic for the programmer and the software as open source. i'll be using a programmer very similar to < http://www.rotgradpsi.de/mc/picprog/picproge.html> except that i'll be using 2 adjustable voltage regulators so i can adjust the vcc during verify and adjust the programming voltage as well, and i'll be using mosfets to switch the Vcc and Vpp and an open collector inverter with a pullup resistor to drive the biderectional data line. when i have some time i'll also be designing a serial programmer for the mac and pc and writing the code in C which i'm still learning (i have a copy of code warrior which makes it relatively easy to write a program for dos and the mac os in C or C++ ). I'll try and design this programmer to handle several different chips with some sort of a chip "definition" file for each chip type so that it's more universal (including non pic chips). for now though, i just need to get these 16f688 chips programed for a clock chipping project (it will be a serial port controlled oscillator adjustable from 1 mhz to 133 mhz in 100khz steps and about the size of a surface mount crystal oscillator, later i'll work on a faster version for more recent machines but a lot of people like me still enjoy playing with older, slower macs, some of which use a crystal that's half the chip speed). Thanks. -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details.