At 01:19 PM 6/5/2004 -0700, you wrote: >Yeah, it's working because it has been reverse biased, but it should not >be as bright as if it were in the correct way. > >-Shawn It will still likely be saturated. "Real" 2N2222/2N2222A transistors are in metal TO-18 case, and the plastic versions have bastardized part numbers such as PN2222. 2N2222/2N2222A http://www.semiconductors.philips.com/acrobat/datasheets/2N2222_CNV_2.pdf PN2222A http://www.fairchildsemi.com/ds/PN/PN2222A.pdf http://www.rohm.com/products/databook/tr/pdf/umt2222a.pdf http://www.ece.utexas.edu/~valvano/EE345L/DataSheets/PN2222-D.pdf Reverse beta of such a transistor is almost surely enough to saturate it in the given circuit (forced beta ~5), so it will work either way. Typically it's probably more like 10 or 15. Note that the breakdown voltage Vceo is now limited by the Vebo maximum, which is only 5 or 6 volts. And vice versa. That doesn't matter in a 5V-only circuit, of course. It can be handy if you need a transistor with a very high Vebo, and there are also some advantages in terms of the saturation voltage. Best regards, Spehro Pefhany --"it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward" speff@interlog.com Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads