Just a thought regarding the 12f629/675 ICD header - it is entirely feasible to purchase the 16f629/16f676 debug header instead. The top 8 pins of the '676 are an exact pin match for the '675. I hadn't noticed this when I purchased my headers - but I did the first time I did a '630 project. I now simply use the '630/676 debug header for all my 8 pin and 14 pin PIC projects. Just pointing this out for those who want to minimize their out-of-pocket expenses. dwayne -- Dwayne Reid Trinity Electronics Systems Ltd Edmonton, AB, CANADA (780) 489-3199 voice (780) 487-6397 fax Celebrating 20 years of Engineering Innovation (1984 - 2004) .-. .-. .-. .-. .-. .-. .-. .-. .-. .- `-' `-' `-' `-' `-' `-' `-' `-' `-' Do NOT send unsolicited commercial email to this email address. This message neither grants consent to receive unsolicited commercial email nor is intended to solicit commercial email. -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details.