I haven't had any experience with them, but as I understand it, the process is really straightforward: You need: * Clean room ( or work box - I can see a plexiglass unit taking up the space of a table) * A mechanical or electromechanical reducer - this takes macro-scale movements and translates them into micro-scale movements * A tiny application tip for conductive epoxy * A UV LED or laser for curing aformentioned epoxy (or an ultrasonic wirebonding system) * A wire feeding/cutting tip * A magnification/visualization system. Stereo would be good, but you could probably get by with a top camera and a side camera. I suspect a homebrew system would be the easy part. The hard part is probably buying the die in small quantities. They are likely shipped en-masse directly from the semiconductor factory, and their systems are likely not set up for delivering small loads - expect that the only benefit you get from doing this yourself is, perhaps, a smaller board and fewer working pieces. You probably won't get the savings due to the low volume. You may be able to find some old units for a few grand, or you could even look at used genetic equipment (the kind used to insert/extract DNA into/from cells). Genetics advances so quickly that equipment probably becomes obsolete more quickly than semiconductor equipment. It would be neat and not terribly difficult, but the applications where it's worthwhile are limited. -Adam Matthew Brush wrote: >Hello all > >Has anyone had any experience using integrated circuits "without" a package? I notice a lot of consumer devices have what must be a processor buried under glob of something-or-other (ex. Calculator). I also remember seeing these teeny tiny robots by some organization made with what appeared to be no traditional integrated circuits (link below). On top of this, I remember seeing some chips available in the "wafer" or "die" package, something about cut and uncut. So are these all the same thing? I'm assuming it's exactly what's inside a normal IC except without being molded into plastic or ceramic or whatever. > >Has anybody had any experience with this type of "package"? Is it possible (with patience) to hand solder (or otherwise) these chips at home? How do you interface to these chips as they don't appear to have pins. What other types of devices might use this "technology". > >I'm interested to hear more about these things. Thanks for anyones time. Peace > >Small Robots Link >http://www.sandia.gov/media/NewsRel/NR2001/minirobot.htm) > >MJ Brush > >-- >http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: >[PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads > > > > > -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The list server can filter out subtopics (like ads or off topics) for you. See http://www.piclist.com/#topics