> Twice Cl - parasitics. > Cl = 12.5 so your cap will probably work out to be about 20pF. That's how I have always figured it, but it doesn't like to start with the two 18 pF caps and 47k series resistor I started with. I paralleled 47pF on top of each cap, and it starts more reliably. BTW, I came up with 1.27 uW of drive with those values, running 5 volts to the PIC. Cheers, Bob -- http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! email listserv@mitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body