From: "Spehro Pefhany" > You need a lot of gain, depending on the distance to be covered and the > transmitter signal. You may even need a nonlinear time-variable gain > amplifier. > You may have trouble using a breadboard due to noise issues (signals in the > mV range). I'm trying not to be negative, but I think this is not a really > a beginner project, IMO. If you have an oscilloscope, look at the > transducer output and you'll see just what you are dealing with. I did this several months back on a solderless breadboard and it worked very well. I used an ordinary LM741 as the amplifier stage and a 393 comparator as the second stage to clean up the signal. I just biased one of the comparator inputs a few millivolts higher than the idling output of the 741 (which was fed into the other input). The echoes give me a real nice square wave out of the comparator perfect for feeding directly into a digital input of a PICs CCP module (no ADC required). The transducers are very insensitive to frequencies that are not ultrasonic so normal room noises had very little effect. I was surprised that I didn't need to apply any audio filtering to get decent reliability. I found that about 5-6 cycles directly into the sending transducer (driven directly from the PIC) gave decent results without allot of ringing decay of the transducer. A small blanking interval during and after transmission and you're ready to capture the echoes. michael brown -- http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! email listserv@mitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body