I'm using the microEngineeringLabs EPIC programmer. I've made my own donggle that connects to the programmer so that I can do ICSP for PICs. I've been successful with other PICs, but am having problems with the 18F452. Is it temperamental? Have people had problems with it in the past? Thanks! James Tu james@2-bit-toys.com -- http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! email listserv@mitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body