> >These are smaller versions of some of the V2 photos I mentioned. > > Where did you take these Russell? The utterly superb Deutsches Museum in Munich > And what started this posting of photos? > something from some other list? Yes ERPS list & ARocket. John Carmack is now using a single engine and jet vanes in his latest "rocket ships". A big machine - 3 person capacity. Up to the early hover testing stage. www.armadilloaerospace.com Look for one of these in his next version of Doom :-) RM -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details.