> i am sorry for my poor ascii art. i need to find a bmp-to-ascii art > type tool Not bmp -> ascii but gifs better than ascii if you've the time http://home.clear.net.nz/pages/joecolquitt/0symbols.html A few hundred bytes for a small gif diagram isn't necessarily more to download than e-mail ascii + an explanation -- http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! email listserv@mitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body