"without justifiable reason" !! Environment question in western EU is going to be an important question, and i think that north lands of Europe (Netherlands, Swedish....) are very involved in environment protection. As far as i can see, Wouter and Erik hasn't post any response on this thread, and it will be interesting to have their point of view. In France, after 1974 crisis, nuclear electrecity plants have replaced petroleum ones, engines are better and better, tv ads on "swith off your light" exists for 30 years, and a governmental agency, ADEME, give you some money if you use solar energy (for hot water and electrecity). KYOTO protocol has been signed for years, and the other side of the ocean (US in fact) is not seen like a "model" in environment protection.... I don't know if it's a media "desinformation", but that's what i feel about that, although my bad english do not allow me to explain all my feellings! SamB -- http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList mailto:piclist-unsubscribe-request@mitvma.mit.edu