Thanks to all who responded! As it turns out, I already had two Xtreme units; I was wondering how to get serial data out of it other than using the usb port. I took Johns advice and ordered 2 classics from toysrus - 15 clams is a pretty low gamble! We continually seem to have gadgets around the shop that spit out 232 data and I plan on using these to be able to quickly check them out, go/no-go fashion. Tom -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The list server can filter out subtopics (like ads or off topics) for you. See http://www.piclist.com/#topics