At 10:38 AM 4/19/2004 -0400, you wrote: > If that's the complaint then blaming just HP would be wrong, they > ALL do >this to varying degrees, it's how they make their money. TTYL Yeah, I was looking at a nice laser printer for something like $799. It included "starter cartridges" with a *fraction* of the normal capacity. Replacement cartridges were about $760.00 total for the four (CMYK). Ouch! OTOH, my Epson Photo 1280 wide-carriage color inkjet likes to gum up if you don't use it frequently enough, and gobble up another set of $$$ color cartridges, whereas lasers don't tend to do that. On the subject matter, I like the HP/Agilent 34401A, but apparently there are some subtle issues. The VFD display is pretty nice and it has enough features and accuracy for most purposes at a fairly reasonable cost (about $1k) for a professional. There are some offshore clones of it (one using VFD display). The type the OP mentioned is made in Taiwan by "Good Will" and uses LED displays. The clones tend to be around half the cost or so of the original, depending. Maybe my company should start importing and supporting one of these types? Best regards, Spehro Pefhany --"it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward" speff@interlog.com Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com -- http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! email listserv@mitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body