Okay, I downloaded the lite version, and experimented with it for a bit. = =20 Seems like a pretty well-made product, with a good library which includes= PIC=20 components. But there are significant limitations, such as, as you menti= on,=20 the inability to generate Gerber outputs, and the inability to generate=20 netlists. Also, I don't have a firm answer to this, but it seems that yo= u=20 get a certain # of library parts, and have to pay for others after that. I've calculated my circuit's expected pin-count, and come to a result of=20 between 1800 and 2000. Of course if makes sense to have some overhead to= =20 that, so let's say 3000. The profession version of Proteus that supports= =20 that is way beyond my budget. :-( Cheers, -Neil. On Tuesday 13 April 2004 08:23 am, Mike Hord scribbled: > Until recently, I would have suggested Proteus Lite, by Labcenter > Electronics. It's a good product, and I've used it happily for three > years. I recently upgraded to the lowest end of their professional > products, and they've been great with tech support and the > product is solid. > > Unfortunately, they recently hobbled the Lite version, removing > the option to purchase the additional CAD/CAM capability. If you > don't need CAD/CAM output (but I can't imagine why you wouldn't), > have a look at www.proteuslite.com. It really is a heck of product. > > The professional version with a 2k pin count is above your price > range (~$600US), but might well be worth a look, because it has > a lot of bells and whistles. You could also contact them and see > if the CAD/CAM output option is still available, just not on the > website. The North American contact is Don Jackson, and he's > a heck of a nice guy. > > I've found the Proteus software to be much better than others I've > tried. ESPECIALLY Eagle. I'll be sticking with it for some time to > come. > > Mike H. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get rid of annoying pop-up ads with the new MSN Toolbar FREE! > http://toolbar.msn.com/go/onm00200414ave/direct/01/ -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details.