> > Unfortunately through 4 years of college and most of high school the current generations > > of engineers has been trained on the multi-line variety which are > > prohibited. That's really unfair. Our slide rules had multiple lines on them (exactly how many depends on what you count). Never used an abacus in anger. Had (have?) a toyish obe somewhere that was real enough to allow multiplication with a little effort. The abacus has the advantage of being digital and therefore exact whereas a slide rule is analogue and therefore inexact - but amnable to far more complex functionality than an abacus with ease. . -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details.