> There's usually a reason for the manufacturer's > specifications... As other answers have indicated this reason might be sheer lazyness from the side of the programming specification authors at Microchip. BTW there are a few cheap multi-voltage DIY proggers around, my old WISP (Wisp628 predecessor) is one. But its range of targets is severly limited. Wouter van Ooijen -- ------------------------------------------- Van Ooijen Technische Informatica: www.voti.nl consultancy, development, PICmicro products -- http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! email listserv@mitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body