>There must be some decent software out there at a decent-ish price. > >Cheers, >-Neil. Until recently, I would have suggested Proteus Lite, by Labcenter Electronics. It's a good product, and I've used it happily for three years. I recently upgraded to the lowest end of their professional products, and they've been great with tech support and the product is solid. Unfortunately, they recently hobbled the Lite version, removing the option to purchase the additional CAD/CAM capability. If you don't need CAD/CAM output (but I can't imagine why you wouldn't), have a look at www.proteuslite.com. It really is a heck of product. The professional version with a 2k pin count is above your price range (~$600US), but might well be worth a look, because it has a lot of bells and whistles. You could also contact them and see if the CAD/CAM output option is still available, just not on the website. The North American contact is Don Jackson, and he's a heck of a nice guy. I've found the Proteus software to be much better than others I've tried. ESPECIALLY Eagle. I'll be sticking with it for some time to come. Mike H. _________________________________________________________________ Get rid of annoying pop-up ads with the new MSN Toolbar FREE! http://toolbar.msn.com/go/onm00200414ave/direct/01/ -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details.