>I had sort of not bothered with this, since it did not have an autorouter. Is the autorouter that important? It seems to me that for the price you are prepared to invest this is the first thing that will need to be dispensed with. Perhaps this is just my lack of experience with an autorouter showing, but I wonder if it really does make life that much easier than moving things around and having the rubber band lines show the connections. -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details.