For the last few years, my ICD-1 (now ICD-2) and I have been the "production programmer" for all the PIC's that we use. But the numbers are increasing and we have a need to let the production techs program their own stock. I have hesitated handing this sort of thing over because the procedures involving the ICD-2 and MPLAB can get quite involved-- MPLAB is a development environment. I also suspect that an ICD-2 programming run does not exactly yield a production-quality part. What I'm looking for is something that will take a HEX file--and any other necessry info and not change it (MPLAB likes to turn Debug mode back on and other antics) and program the device via ICSP (In-circuit serial programming). Ideally it would be upgradeable as Microchip invents new parts. Maybe Microchip makes what we need. It doesn't have to be zero cost, either. It does have to be reliable and simple. Barry -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The list server can filter out subtopics (like ads or off topics) for you. See http://www.piclist.com/#topics