Superb collection of discussions of perpetual motion machine principles. I've put this under EE as it has some application in the electrical area and may save some beginners from PMM quackery. Excellent for "children" and engineers of ALL ages. http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/home.htm His top level page also useful. Some material there I'd take issue with, but still good thought provoking stuff. http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/ _________________________________ link courtesy of Bbob. -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The list server can filter out subtopics (like ads or off topics) for you. See http://www.piclist.com/#topics