This actually went to the wrong list, but ... Steve Willoughby wrote: >Try setting the -borderwidth option on the frames to something like 2 >or more, and see what happens. You can abbreviate this to -bd. Thanks, no joy. It also refuses to set the background color of the frame (?!). I think that something or other has gone bad with the application defaults on this display but this should not happen [tm] thanks, and sorry for totally OT, Peter -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The list server can filter out subtopics (like ads or off topics) for you. See http://www.piclist.com/#topics