> how to filter and massage the input from the phototransistor Some ideas here (bottom of page, they all work) http://home.clear.net.nz/pages/joecolquitt/txless.html Range will depend on receiver used and how it's mounted. 3-pin IS1U60 types are cheap, common, easy to use. I'd use one over a discrete circuit unless it was very short range or wanted to save power So are the canned ones in appliances like TVs and VCRs. Well worth scavenging for them in junk. All the ones I've seen are 3 pins, 5V supply, and most were Sharp -- http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! email listserv@mitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body