Thanks to all who responded to this. I'll try out each suggestion in the interests of experimenting. I've bought up a lot of materials including something new for me, Datak FR-4 protoboard (their No. 12-601, labeled on the package "For circuits with many DIP's). I don't have veroboard or a mini drill as Brian suggests, but I'll get to it. This is a good education for me, I'm learning a lot. Thanks Bob Robert L Cochran wrote: > I have a protoboard (the Datak model 12-617) on which I plan to plug in > a PIC16F88. This protoboard has a breadboard like system of tie points > and buses on the solder side. I'm using an 18 pin socket for this, and > want to be able to do in-circuit serial programming on the chip. > > I have 2 different programmers: the Warp-13A from Newfound Electronics > and the EPIC Serial Programmer from MicroEngineering Labs. The EPIC has > a 10 pin header block J3 that looks like this: > > http://microengineeringlabs.com/support/icsp.htm > > Now my question is, how do I install .100 headers as two rows of 5 pins > each, that can be plugged into with a 10-pin connector, on the Datak > protoboard? The tie points are electrically connected into 5 pin buses, > breadboard style. So it seams to be that if I solder in 2 rows of Molex > .100 header pins, 5 pins to a row, row 2 will be electrically connected > to row 1, which I don't want. > > The Warp-13a has 5 header pins for ICSP, making the corresponding ICSP > headers a lot easier to install on the Datak boards. (Why don't these > protoboard manufacturers have web sites featuring tutorials on using > their boards, anyhow?) > > Thanks! > > Bob > > -- > Bob Cochran > Greenbelt, Maryland, USA > http://greenbeltcomputer.biz/ > > -- > http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different > ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details. > > -- Bob Cochran Greenbelt, Maryland, USA http://greenbeltcomputer.biz/ -- http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList mailto:piclist-unsubscribe-request@mitvma.mit.edu