Hi,

This might be a bit of an aside, maybe helpful.
I used to use the Epic, and my first pcbs had a dual-5pin header on them
wired the same way as their 40pin zif socket programmer.  There was some
data on their website about this pinout as I recall; I also followed the
traces on the 40pin zif and it made sense.

It worked well, much to my relief.  Note that it is important to keep
cables short.  I tried to proto this up on a solderless breadboard and
it didn't work, because I was using 2' long test leads.

Then I got an ICD2, with the telephone-jack style connector.

So what I wound up doing is making my own 5-pin header, with the signals
(you only need 5, I don't know why Epic uses a 2x5 header) the same way
on every pcb I make.  I fabricated up my own ICD2 to jesse-ICSP cable,
with telephone type jack at one end, and a row of 5 female .1" sockets
on the other, with polarity marked on the cable and pcbs.  Has worked great.

Long story short, for the rare times I need to use the Epic (for
programming PICs unsupported by the ICD2) I use short test jumper wires
from EPIC to my jesse-ICSP, this has worked fine.  If I ever need to do
a bunch I'll just make an EPIC -> jesse-ICSP cable.

So I vote make your own 5-pin arrangement (maybe the same way as the
Warp-13a?) and create a cable to deal with the Epic.  Then you can use
warp-13a, Epic, and ICD2 (with another custom cable) in the future if
you'd like.

Hope it helps
Jesse



Robert L Cochran wrote:
> I have a protoboard (the Datak model 12-617) on which I plan to plug in
> a PIC16F88. This protoboard has a breadboard like system of tie points
> and buses on the solder side. I'm using an 18 pin socket for this, and
> want to be able to do in-circuit serial programming on the chip.
>
> I have 2 different programmers: the Warp-13A from Newfound Electronics
> and the EPIC Serial Programmer from MicroEngineering Labs. The EPIC has
> a 10 pin header block J3 that looks like this:
>
> http://microengineeringlabs.com/support/icsp.htm
>
> Now my question is, how do I install .100 headers as two rows of 5 pins
> each, that can be plugged into with a 10-pin connector, on the Datak
> protoboard? The tie points are electrically connected into 5 pin buses,
> breadboard style. So it seams to be that if I solder in 2 rows of Molex
> .100 header pins, 5 pins to a row, row 2 will be electrically connected
> to row 1, which I don't want.
>
> The Warp-13a has 5 header pins for ICSP, making the corresponding ICSP
> headers a lot easier to install on the Datak boards. (Why don't these
> protoboard manufacturers have web sites featuring tutorials on using
> their boards, anyhow?)
>
> Thanks!
>
> Bob
>
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