I never realised the speed was actually printed on the PIC. I just = assumed all PICs could run up to speed listed in their respective datasheets. The electronics hobby shop I bought my PICs from didn't specify if its = was 4Mhz or 20Mhz. I've run all 5 my 628's, 877's and 876's I've bought = there at 20Mhz without any problems. I just checked though, and they're all -4 chips! (-04/P, 04/SP) I'm even using them in my DIY Wisp628 :-). Guess I just got lucky.=20 The 18F's I got are all marked -I/SP, does that mean they can run at all specified frequencies in the datasheet? _____ =20 Andr=E9 Miller =09 -----Original Message----- From: pic microcontroller discussion list = [mailto:PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU] On Behalf Of Jinx Sent: 19 March 2004 11:31 PM To: PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU Subject: Re: [PIC:] PIC 16F628 an 20 MHz > Does someone knows if the maximal frequency printed on a chip=20 > determines an ability of the oscilator circuit too? It used to be the case, probably still is, that all 628s (for example) = come from the same stock They are then tested and sorted for GUARANTEED operation at the speed limits. A device in the 4MHz pile may run at 10MHz or even 15MHz, but IT = IS guaranteed to run properly under all conditions at 4MHz. Some 20MHz = devices may run at 25MHz, but probably not under all conditions. On an = individual basis you could get lucky, but it's not something you'd want to expect = from a production run using such a PIC unless every unit was speed tested Economics plays a part too. Operation speed is a factor in pricing, so = is demand for a particular speed. Parts that are capable of spec operation = at 10MHz and 20MHz might be re-branded as 4MHz to satisfy a market -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different = ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details. -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details.