At 02:00 AM 3/17/2004 -0800, you wrote: >Hi all, >I am in the process of switching to SMT parts to save >on endless drilling for a run of devices (100+) and to >further reduce the size of the device. I am working >with 12f629s, so its only a 8 pin SOIC, but I need a >way to program the buggers before I solder them in the >circuit. ICSP is not really an option because of the >size and compactness of the device (even bare board). >There is definitly no room for headers. > >Is there any kind of socket or clip or something I can >use to connect to the bare SOICs long enough to >program and verify them? The only thing I have found >is for DIPs. > >Any experiences with this is apreciated :-) You can get programming sockets for them, and wire your own adapter. They are not cheap. http://yamaichi.us.phtemp.com/pdf/t&b/ic51_sop.pdf Best regards, Spehro Pefhany --"it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward" speff@interlog.com Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads