Speaking of JDM and friends, does anyone know whether they work using DOSEMU under Linux? (I just noticed that the 'fancy' program-anything device programmer I bought some (rather long) time ago stopped development rather before the current generation of flash PICs. No 16F128, etc. Rats. (A Needhams EMP-20. Grr.) BillW -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details.