At 01:29 PM 3/4/2004 -0700, you wrote: >I did something simlar, but with a length of PVC insulated #14. >I was just imitating my dad, who used to 'brush' the bare end of the wire >across a post to see if the battery had a good charge. Unfortunately >I didn't just 'brush' it, and had a red hot snake of near molten copper to >yank on to break off the welded contact. And what a stench.... Burning PVC is quite toxic, AFAIUI. Best regards, Spehro Pefhany --"it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward" speff@interlog.com Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details.