[trying to walk the small road between being rude to some convictions and being so general that nothing usefull is said] > Agnostic maybe (even though agnosticism is not a stable position). As a convinced agnost I am not so sure about that :) IMHO agnostic means that I see no reasonable way (scientific or other) to decide whether (a) god(s) exist. Hence I will happily oppose both - religious guys who claim to have proof that god exists - anti-religious guys who claim to have proof that god does not exists In both cases 'proof' does not include internal / personal proof. There is no way I can comment on someone else's internal certainties. The only guys I can agree with are the ones who say that the 'does god exist?' question has no scientific meaning. Note: this does not imply that the question has no meaning at all, just no scientific meaning (in Popper's interpretation). Wouter van Ooijen -- ------------------------------------------- Van Ooijen Technische Informatica: www.voti.nl consultancy, development, PICmicro products -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details.