"p.cousens" writes: >Try giving them 120v for a few minutes (in series with a 100n cap to >limit the current if they decide to go short). >They may be a type of thermo-pneumatic actuator al smith writes: >replaced it and was assured the part was defective I opened it up. It was >based on heating up a waxy substance that once liquid would release the >lever....then when it cooled down, it would allow the plunger to return. >Kinda interesting..... Thank you both. I am at work as I write this, but I am pretty sure it is something like what you describe. The parts are fairly light feeling in the hand to have the iron one would expect in a solenoid of that size so it almost has to be something else. I'll hook a light bulb in series just in case and cook it for a while. I do know that initially, they draw next to no current at all so the only thing to watch out for is a sudden drop in resistance like a surgistor. It is also remotely possible that they need DC. There could have been a rectifier buried in the harness somewhere to the timer. If AC doesn't do anything, I'll stick a suitable diode in series with it and the bulb and see what blows up.:-) By the way, my variac is on the output of an isolation transformer which is the setup I use when messing with circuits of this kind. This makes life a wee bit safer, anyway. You never know where a surprise path from the mains through you to Earth might show up. For all I know, those plungers on the ends of the actuators in question might be hot or become hot. Martin McCormick WB5AGZ Stillwater, OK OSU Information Technology Division Network Operations Group -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads