Try giving them 120v for a few minutes (in series with a 100n cap to limit the current if they decide to go short). They may be a type of thermo-pneumatic actuator -----Original Message----- From: pic microcontroller discussion list [mailto:PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU] On Behalf Of Martin McCormick Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 8:29 PM To: PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU Subject: [OT]: Strange Part Salvaged from Maytag Dish Washer Before sending our old dish washer to the recycler, I pulled the solenoid water valve off of it and a couple of parts that I thought were solenoids which do not behave like a solenoid should. The two parts in question are actuators of some type. One used to trip the latch on the soap dispenser and the other did something similar to a "pre-rinse" dispenser. Both objects look like solenoids in that they have rectangular bodies about the size of two nine-volt batteries end to end. Two blade terminals come out the side of each device and there is a metal shaft protruding from one end making the whole thing also look kind of like a switch except that I can't pull or push the rod in or out. Each part has the word Ltech stamped on it and a part number. If I read across the terminals with an Ohm-meter, they show megohms. They also do exactly nothing when I feed up to 120-volts AC from a variac. Both parts snapped in to clips that held them firmly next to the mechanical lever they were supposed to move. My impression is that the rod extended and pushed a spring-loaded lever which popped the lid on the soap box, etc. It is remotely possible that both are solenoids that have burned out as the release on the soap dish stopped working weeks ago, but I find it unlikely that they both failed the same way. This particular machine had no electronics as far as I know, just an electromechanical timer and mains voltage to all the electrical parts. When I fed the 120-volt AC to them, they drew no measurable current at all. What could these strange things be? Martin McCormick WB5AGZ Stillwater, OK OSU Information Technology Division Network Operations Group -- http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList mailto:piclist-unsubscribe-request@mitvma.mit.edu