What circuit is used in low end isolation of RS-485 for DMX-512 etc. applications? This application (NOT DMX-512) has maybe a few to a dozen devices on the bus maximum and cost is important. I know how to do a powered version with opto-isolators and a DC-DC converter to get power over the galvanic barrier, but I don't know what people have been getting away with in practice with *no* power on the isolated side of the remote devices. That means that optoisolators have to be powered by the RS-485 signal. 8-( It also means that the termination of the bus can't be very good at all (but with slow baud rates and relatively short distances, the reflections will have died down anyhow). I am primarily interested in what is actually used in quantity in commercial products by reputable companies, not what might be possible to hack up on a bench. Anyone? Thanks for any suggestions, Spehro Pefhany --"it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward" speff@interlog.com Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com -- http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList mailto:piclist-unsubscribe-request@mitvma.mit.edu