The discussion about ferric chloride reminded me of this tidbit of information that I've always found useful... Along the lines of protecting your steel tools, both hand and machine tools, here's a substance you can make yourself that will help keep the value, operability, and appearance of your tools in top shape. It's called "Ed's Red Bore Cleaner". Check out the full article: http://www.steveellis.com/eds-red.pdf Here is the recipe: 1 part Dexron II, IIe, or III automatic transmission fluid. (must say Dexron II, IIe, or III on the bottle) 1 part kerosene, deodorized ("K1" space heater oil, some lamp oils). 1 part acetone 1 part aliphatic mineral spirits ("Stoddard Solvent", "Varsol") Optional: up to 1 pound (~0.5kg) anhydrous lanolin per 1 gallon (~4l) of the other ingredients. You may substitute Modified Lanolin Topical Lubricant from the drug store if you can't find anhydrous lanolin. The lanolin is optional because it "makes the cleaner easier on the hands". It's also intended for long-term storage of firearms (or your tools) between cleanings. If you use your tools lots, which you probably do, you can leave the lanolin out. Instructions: Mix outdoors in a metal or gasoline-approved plastic container. Do NOT mix in an HDPE plastic container (milk cartons, orange juice bottles, and many food containers are HDPE, and they are marked HDPE on the bottom, near the recycling symbol usually). Also avoid LDPE. (HDPE = high density polyethelyne, LDPE = low density polyethelyne). I personally use an old fashioned zinc-plated steel gas can, works like a charm, and there's no chance of the can EVER rusting with this stuff in it. The kerosene is available as "lamp oil" but some lamp oils are liquid parafin (sic), so read the label before buying. Acetone and aliphatic mineral spirits are available at your local hardware warehouse store in the paint aisle. Automatic transmission fluid is available at any auto parts store. I purchased everything in 1 quart quantities, and left out the lanolin. That makes one gallon, which fits nicely into a 1 or 1.5 gallon gas can. This stuff is designed to remove carbon deposits, light rust, and lead fowling. It's good for removing stray solder bits from steel tools, and will dissolve solder rosin that gets on tools. The automatic transmission fluid is the key ingredient; it seeps into the metal protecting it from further/future rust. I use it once a month on my nippers, needle nose pliers, and heck, everything. Dunk your drillbits in it and wipe them down with a rag before storage. Full description: http://www.steveellis.com/eds-red.pdf Gustaf -- http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! email listserv@mitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body