>But what is realy special about AVR compared to PICs? I'm no AVR >specialist, so I am just thinking aloud. A/D with better resolution? 3 >UARTs on a cheap low-pin-count part? Fast interface to external memory? >USB interface on a flash chip? Just having looked at the page now, I see a few possible advantages I need to further investigate. I see an 8-pin device that can write its own program memory (there's your 8-pin bootloader!), and 8-pins with PWM. Also mutiple channels of PWM, but I don't know if each can have different values. Also promising is the speed- the 8-pin I looked at closely does 3% calibrated internal speed at 4.8 or 9.6 MHz, and can reach up to 9.6 MIPS. Of course, that's tough, because a lot of the best instructions are multiple cycle, but what're you going to do? They do have some interesting USB products, but nothing really great. The AVR based ones are RAM/ROM only, not flash, and none of the USB chips are small enough to be DIP. All in all, I'd say its definitely worth a look, but I doubt it'll make me drop Microchip all together. The PIC is just too darn easy to use. Mike H. _________________________________________________________________ Click, drag and drop. My MSN is the simple way to design your homepage. http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200364ave/direct/01/ -- http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! email listserv@mitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body