I hate to see Olin get slaughtered like this... he was helpful and responsive to me too.... I don't get the hangup on the word "idiot"..... you ever watch "That 70's show"?... the father says it to his son... ever watch "Everybody Love Raymond" Debra calls raymond that... it just seems a gut level expression these days..... and we laugh at it on TV..... I knew a technition that had quite a crude vocabulary... he could laugh at himself too... my best friend threw the word idiot around.... and just mostly funny.... like watching a cartoon is..... Olin is probably parroting and expression he heard many times... probably with he best friends... it doesn't come natural to Olin to talk mushy "you're going down the wrong path.... blah blah.... " ... but idiot pops to mind... maybe he's busy and wants to be breef... and addresses more issues that way... rather than trying to soft pad his opinions and observation..... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff LeBlanc" To: Sent: Monday, February 16, 2004 9:50 AM Subject: Re: [PIC]: Olin has been Deleted! (was insuccesses) > Perhaps, what is needed IS the abuse of those too lazy to do even the > smallest amount of self help before asking the list to do all of their grunt > work for them. > > If every time some idiot spewed forth: "Please tell me everything you have > learned about pic's in the last 10 years so I then know what question to ask > you so I can get you to do my project for me", someone slammed him good for > being a lazy dumb**** then perhaps the quantity of those types of > questions/requests would decline. > > This is a problem which is not limited to the piclist but to most forums. > There should be a idiot filter where the person asking the question or > making a request should have to demonstrate at least some minimal trying to > solve the problem on his/her own. > > I have been reading the list for several years, and have benefited greatly > from Olin's posts. By removing him from the list does nothing to solve the > problem of the idiots, it only removes a valuable source of information from > those who truly appreciate the list. The one who SHOULD have been removed > was the idiot that ilicited Olin's response which in my opinion was mild and > could have and should have been much worse. > > Jeff > > -----Original Message----- > From: pic microcontroller discussion list [mailto:PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU] On > Behalf Of Andrew Kieran > Sent: Monday, February 16, 2004 9:38 AM > To: PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU > Subject: Re: [PIC]: Olin has been Deleted! (was insuccesses) > > James, > I hope that you re-visit your decision to remove Olin. It is > your decision to make, but it does seem to run counter to the > best interests of the list. He is part of what makes this list > such a valuable resource. > > Olin is an extremely valuable contributor to the list, measured > not just in the volume of his posts, but by the depth of his > knowledge and by his oft-demonstrated willingness to help > others. > > Moreover, the post which triggered his ire was pretty > unreasonable. It asked list-members to do grunt work that the > poster appeared to feel was beneath him. Please don't 'cut off > your nose, to spite your face'. > > I hope that cooler heads will prevail. > > Andrew > > ________________________________________________ > Get your own "800" number > Voicemail, fax, email, and a lot more > http://www.ureach.com/reg/tag > > -- > http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: > [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads > > -- > http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: > [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads > -- http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! email listserv@mitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body