if you are busted here (Australia) with a radar detector (under the new scheme) its 9 points (you have 12 max and restore at i think 3 points every 2 years?) and $1170 fine. 0-15km speeding is 2 points and $150 or so -----Original Message----- From: pic microcontroller discussion list [mailto:PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU]On Behalf Of Bob Blick Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 7:27 AM To: PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU Subject: Re: [OT] Fuel price (was: Static and petrol vapours) > And instead of banning drivers who accumulate too many points, make them > attend a driving-remedial school and pass a test thereafter, as I > believe they do in California. You're talking about me... yeah, driving school. Take it on the internet, it is very easy to cheat, even on the proctored exam. I did the whole 10 hour thing in less than two hours. It's all just a way to generate revenue. California wants as many drivers on the road as possible, it doesn't matter how bad they are. Enforce speed limits by A) raising insurance on speeders or B) putting a cell phone in their hands so it's hard to drive fast. It's scary driving here. Nobody uses their turn signals any more(it's the cellphone hand). They follow at one car length no matter how fast traffic is running. SUVs are getting so big they barely fit the lanes. Don't look to California for solutions to bad driving. Germany or maybe some of the Scandinavian countries is a better bet. Cheers, Bob P.S. I got a better radar detector, keep my eyes open, no tickets in over two years, knock wood :-) -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details. -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details.