> And instead of banning drivers who accumulate too many points, make them > attend a driving-remedial school and pass a test thereafter, as I > believe they do in California. You're talking about me... yeah, driving school. Take it on the internet, it is very easy to cheat, even on the proctored exam. I did the whole 10 hour thing in less than two hours. It's all just a way to generate revenue. California wants as many drivers on the road as possible, it doesn't matter how bad they are. Enforce speed limits by A) raising insurance on speeders or B) putting a cell phone in their hands so it's hard to drive fast. It's scary driving here. Nobody uses their turn signals any more(it's the cellphone hand). They follow at one car length no matter how fast traffic is running. SUVs are getting so big they barely fit the lanes. Don't look to California for solutions to bad driving. Germany or maybe some of the Scandinavian countries is a better bet. Cheers, Bob P.S. I got a better radar detector, keep my eyes open, no tickets in over two years, knock wood :-) -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details.