I agree. I spend few bytes to give you my idea on it. I saw Olin was out, and I was not surprised: he does answer a bad way. He did to me too. The OP put a bad question on the other hand, maybe because he is not familiar to microchip world. That's not a good reason to unpolitely point it out. I mean, I wouldn't spend a single word on it if I have to offend people also if I do think it was an idiot question. I simply ignore. I sometimes put idiot or incomplete questions too, and people politely ignores. Everybody knows Olin has great technical skills AND a really bad mood: this is not the price to pay for a good advice. Olin must understand. But, I'm afraid he will not. I'm sure he will join the list again giving good advices and bad times to people asking "bad questions". ;-) Ale On Mon, 16 Feb 2004, James Newton, Host wrote: > Stay or leave as you wish. Don't call people names. > > > --- > James. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: pic microcontroller discussion list [mailto:PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU] On > Behalf Of Per > Sent: 2004 Feb 16, Mon 12:36 > To: PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU > Subject: Re: [PIC]: PIC18F8720 insuccesses > Importance: Low > > Please delete me as well. Some of us are professionals. > At one time that was: Many of us are pro's. > > I think you have overreacted, probably because of a word that in this case > was quite appropriate. > If you read the original question carefully, you'll see that this guy calls > many of us idiots, although in a more covered form: > We use MPLAB which is useless, he is going to make a much better tool, while > we apes struggle with MPLAB, etc. At the same time he asks for help at a > level that reveals that he does not know much at all about microprocessors. > So I think Olin's reaction (and comments) are both fair and approproate. > > Regards, > Per Linne > Sweden > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "James Newton, Host" > To: > Sent: Monday, February 16, 2004 4:43 AM > Subject: FW: [PIC]: PIC18F8720 insuccesses > > > > Olin has been deleted from the PICList. > > > > No amount of excellent advice is worth being called an idiot. > > > > > > --- > > James. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Olin Lathrop" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2004 10:10 AM > > Subject: Re: [PIC]: PIC18F8720 insuccesses > > > > > > > No Religion wrote: > > > > This is my code, as shown by IC-Prog: > > > > 0000: D00F 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 > > > > 0008: 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 > > > > 0010: 0000 0E00 6E92 6E93 6E94 6E95 6E96 6E97 > > > > 0018: 6E98 6E99 6E9A 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 > > > > 0020: 0EFF 6E80 6E81 6E82 6E83 6E84 6E85 6E86 > > > > 0028: 6E87 6E88 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 > > > > 0030: D7DE 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 > > > > > > You can't be serious! You actually expect someone else to > > > disassemble > > this? > > > Think again. > > > > > > > And this is the configuration: > > > > Config1 = 2500 > > > > Config2 = 000F > > > > Config3 = 0080 > > > > Config4 = 0081 > > > > Config5 = C0FF > > > > Config6 = E0FF > > > > Config7 = 40FF > > > > ID Value = 0123456789ABCDEF > > > > > > > > Is there anything wrong in my machine code > > > > > > I doubt to many people are going to waste time trying to find out. > > > Get real. > > > > > > > (for this quick test > > > > I don't want to nor I think I need to install MP-Lab. > > > > > > This is rediculous. You are asking for help with code you haven't > > > even bothered to run past the MPLAB simulator. Come back when > > > you've done your homework. Until then I've got better things to do. > > > > > > > I tried it and hated it, > > > > > > What didn't you like? > > > > > > > I will write my own source level debugger and assembler and > > > > release it to the PD after I'm finished). > > > > > > I'm not holding my breath. > > > > > > > It's supposed to be a BRA to 0010, where it will meet a NOP (no > > > > reason in particular) > > > > > > The preferred method is to wave a dead fish of the manual during a > > > full > > moon > > > and pick whatever instruction it drips on first. > > > > > > > Finally (through some NOPs, > > > > again, just to leave some space for inserting other code for > > > > experiments) > > > > > > This is going from the rediculous to the idiotic. With proper > > > assembler source you could insert any number of instructions later. > > > > > > > Addresses don't represent bytes, but instruction words. > > > > > > Actually it's the other way around on the 18 family. > > > > > > > I know it's tedious to go through machine code. > > > > > > Duh! > > > > > > > but if you're kind enough, > > > > > > You're being an idiot, and I don't have time to waste on idiots. > > > > > > > Or, in alternative, could some kind soul post a small .HEX file > > > > with a demo program that just turns some port pins ON and some > > > > others OFF, just to see if my problem lies in my hardware or in my > > > > code? > > > > > > There are many samples out there, including a bunch on my own web site. > > > However, they are all written in assembler so I won't bother you > > > with > > them. > > > > > > > I hope to get your valuable help. > > > > > > I bet, but you won't get it until you respect my time. > > > > > > > I really don't know what to experiment else. > > > > > > Write your code in assembler, then test it with the MPLAB simulator. > > > Once you've taken reasonable steps to understand and diagnose the > > > problem, THEN you can come back and ask again. Posting unsimulated > > > raw machine code > > will > > > just get you dismissed as an idiot. > > > > > > > > > ***************************************************************** > > > Embed Inc, embedded system specialists in Littleton Massachusetts > > > (978) 742-9014, http://www.embedinc.com > > > > > > -- > > > http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList > > > mailto:piclist-unsubscribe-request@mitvma.mit.edu > > > > -- > > http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList > > mailto:piclist-unsubscribe-request@mitvma.mit.edu > > > > -- > http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: > [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads > > -- > http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: > [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads > -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details.