> but you know Eagle has options to export an image, right ? Who has the what now ? Yes, I know ;-) I also use the b/w .tiff output for inclusion in product service manuals The graphics are based on the way I've always hand-drawn and go back as far as printing out circuits with the then new (creak) VIC-20 and later to the C64 and my lovely flat-bed Riteman C+. I'm just sticking with what I'm comfy with -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details.