I find that if you can hold or touch something metal (attached to the car!) as you get out you avoid the zap. Even resting a hand on paintwork can help. Until you get some humid weather & forget that is! Richard P I don't know about everybody else but I usually get fried as I get out, I touch the top of the door and ZAP, Dissipated albeit painfully :-) This has never been to eliminate the risk of ignition, just habit whilst getting out. JJ -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads