Sorry, Richard, but being practical, unless you are Ghandi, courtesy IS something to expect. And tolerance has its limits, also. I have seen Olin and his unpolite answers here for years. Good friends have gone because of him. In my opinion, James should definitely solve this problem. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Graziano" To: Sent: Monday, February 16, 2004 11:19 PM Subject: Re: [PIC]: Olin has been Deleted! (was insuccesses) > Courtesy is not something to expect. Courtesy is something to practice, > which includes tolerance of discourteous behavior. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pedro Drummond" > To: > Sent: Monday, February 16, 2004 1:47 PM > Subject: Re: [PIC]: Olin has been Deleted! (was insuccesses) > > > > I have seen many surprising responses here. People that say "he may be > > unkind, but he knows a lot". I think such things as "ok, laugh at me, > swear > > at me, but please enlighten me with your infinite knowledge" deserve pity. > > > > I expect to meet polite people here. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Dominic Stratten" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, February 16, 2004 1:56 PM > > Subject: Re: [PIC]: Olin has been Deleted! (was insuccesses) > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "fred jones" > > > To: > > > Sent: Monday, February 16, 2004 4:30 PM > > > Subject: Re: [PIC]: Olin has been Deleted! (was insuccesses) > > > > > > > > > > WOW, this is really going to turn juvinile isn't it? > > > > > > Possibly, probably and maybe ;-) > > > > > > I think whats happening here is that we have lost a member of our > > > "community". While Olin isnt the most popular member of the piclist, he > is > > a > > > member of the "piclist community". He has been known to offer useful > > advice > > > and has even showed that he has a sense of humour occasionally. I've got > > to > > > know quite a few people from the list and the loss of any member > > (sarcastic > > > or not) is a little like losing touch with a friend. > > > > > > Dont get me wrong here, Olin does appear to snap very easily and can be > > > quite sharp on people. When I first joined the list I made a couple of > > > suggestions and got some sharp replies from Olin. I didnt however take > > them > > > the wrong way and most of the things he has a go about do have reason > > behind > > > them (even if the presentation of the answer is in a less than savoury > > > manner). > > > > > > I "work" from home. I look after a child with ADHD (while he's not at > > > school) while my partner goes out and earns the breadcrumbs which gives > me > > > the chance to design and learn. My "friends and colleagues" during this > > time > > > are you guys on the Piclist and a performance car discussion forum which > > has > > > members who would make Olin look like an angel and arguments that would > > > probably incline James Newton to close the list down altogether. > > > > > > While there is no need to pick on people and be deliberately nasty to > > them, > > > Olin has expressed his honest opinion on the original post. I read that > > post > > > before Olin replied to it and I had a very similar reaction (I just > didnt > > > post it). > > > > > > James has said before - "When I joined, the list had 1500 > > > members. When Olin joined, it had 2000 members. We are now at around > > > 1400." - how many of those users are actively contributing to the > > discussion > > > list for technical help. I see the same names over and over helping > out - > > > Wouter, William Chops Westfield, Tony Nixon, Olin, Sphero, Russell and > > many > > > others (sorry if I left your name out) - all of who contribute useful > > > information for newbies and professionals alike. I try and help where I > > see > > > a question that I can answer but I would say that 5% of the piclist > > members > > > contribute to 95% of the answers given to the questions asked. > > > > > > Its a bit like being back at school - theres always a couple of kids who > > are > > > decent people but just dont have the personal skills to get their point > > > across diplomatically. Olin is not a bully, he is not vindictive he just > > > falls into the category of "take it with a pinch of salt". If he is not > a > > > member of the piclist then I have no doubts that at some point in time > > > someone else will step into his shoes and reply to posts with "please > dont > > > post in HTML" or "outlook express is crap" or "what a stupid question". > At > > > least with Olin at the front door acting as the Piclist "Bulldog" we > know > > > what we're dealing with - better the devil you know ;-) > > > > > > Anyway - another rant over - if you've got this far in reading this post > > > then you're doing well. No disrespect to James for kicking Olin - you > have > > > to draw the line somewhere and I've seen James be more than patient with > > > many people on here but I do think that Olin should be reinvited back > > after > > > a cooling off period. I'm sure Olin will also read all the posts related > > to > > > his "dismissal" and hope that he will take some of the comments onboard. > > > > > > Dom > > > > > > -- > > > http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: > > > [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads > > > > > > > -- > > http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: > > [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads > > -- > http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: > [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads > -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads