Yes! I really like this attitude and I agree. However, the reality of = life is that many, many otherwise reasonable people, will completely loose = their tempers when they perceive an insult. I do this as well, more often than = I would like to admit. My personal goal is to always take the good and leave the bad behind. Violence (and violent words) are the last refuge of the incompetent. But = we must not pretend that we (or others) are competent all the time. Insults, rudeness, violence on TV and in video games do have at least = one bad side effect: They tend to numb our sense of outrage. We become acclimated to an environment full of pain. No I don't think video games account for teenage shooters, BUT they should act as a flag that = something is wrong. Why aren't parents aghast at what little Johnny is playing at = in his PS2? Cowboys and Indians is one thing, blood and guts splattering everywhere and people screaming in pain as they go down, cursing and sobbing, dragging themselves along on shot off legs... ...no one who has ever killed people in a war wants to see that. Your mother taught you not to be rude, not to call people names, not to curse and to wear clean underwear for good reason. The further you are = from mayhem, the longer you have to think about it on the way. Before we setup topic tags, the same advice was given many many times... = If you find someone's comments offensive, just ignore it! Easy! No flame = wars, no tempers lost, and no good people leaving the list in disgust. But = somehow John Payson still got called bad names when he offered a prayer for his = wife who had just died. And he left. As did Scott Dattalo, Wagner Lipinharsky (sp?), Andy, Tjaart, Roman, Tony, Kelly and many others. Some have = returned, others have not. Now, having said all that, I have an idea that could allow Olin to participate (take the good) while not allowing any rudeness on the list (leave the bad)... Those of you who are hot to have Olin on the list should find a = volunteer to moderate Olin's posts. Olin can respond to that person rather than to = the list (I think there may be a way to make that automatic... ) and that = person can just not forward posts that are rude or cut out the insults. Replace them with &$^%*)*#*&^$ if you like. Send them on to the person offlist = if you must. Just act as Olin's... PR manager? Conscience? --- James. =20 -----Original Message----- From: pic microcontroller discussion list = [mailto:PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU] On Behalf Of Attila Muhi Sent: 2004 Feb 16, Mon 01:06 To: PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU Subject: Re: [OT]: Olin YES People are different, everyone can't like or appreciate everyone. But = that's no reason for banning people, sending them to jail or whatever... =20 We must have the right to express ourselves, we live in a democracy, = don't we ?=20 I dont understand why so many of you get so very upset about Olin's postings. Why not use the delete button instead ? Outlook can easily = filter postings also, if you know that you are the sensitive type...=20 If you go to the bookstore, you don't buy books you don't like ! Don't = read postings you know you'll don't like !=20 You behave like a bunch of kids ! Why waste bandwith with this ? Put = Olin back on the list, and leave the decision of reading or not reading his postings to the subscribers. My personal opinion is that ANY contribution to the list is useful, if I don't like a posting, I delete it and forget it. That's all ! Simple , = isn't it ? Attila - SM4RAN -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fr=E5n: Renzo Giurini Till: PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU Datum: den 16 februari 2004 21:25 =C4mne: Re: [OT]: Olin YES >My vote for Olin... YES > >Renzo > >-- >http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: >[PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads > >-- >http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: >[PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads > -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads