>From: Keith Kovala >Reply-To: pic microcontroller discussion list >To: PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU >Subject: [OT:] Removal of members from the list. >Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 16:25:12 -0600 > >I've been extremely busy lately and haven't been following the threads and >haven't looked back to read what possibly could have provoked the removal >of >Olin from the list, but this is just poor judgement and childish on the >parts >of the list maintainers and those advocating removal of any member from the >list. > > Posting and responding to this list is purely voluntary, and the fact >that >people feel the desire to help others and follow through is wonderful. >Unfortunately sometimes the answers can be terse, or even come off crude. >But >really folks, look at the big picture... was anything said that others >weren't >thinking or wanting to say themselves? Not every reply to a given question >is >helpful, and often times it takes a few posts back and forth before the >"real" >problem reveals itself. It is voluntary and Olin has has some sort of need to do it. Do not delude yourself into thinking that he thrown off for using the word "idiot". He called another picster an "arrogant prick". James scolded him and for a while Olin took his medecine. Somewhere along the way he lost his meds > > Additionally, we all have our pet peeves and sometimes a post hits that >nerve >and we fly off the handle a bit... no big deal... a little tolerance and >understanding. This is the internet people... sometimes you are going to >see >and hear things you could have done without... but in the end, no real harm >was done. > Olin goes beyond pet peeves and has a true desire to hurt people. If he can't offer a gentlemanly reply then he should pass on it. He has far, far too much information to offer, and does it in a real lucid way. He should pass on the members he thinks are boneheads and let his silence be their comeuppance. He really hurts himself with his rants. > Those that lurk because they are afraid to "get their heads bit off" are >only >slowing their own progress. I know when I need help I'll post... and I >expect >full well to get jumped with a snide comment or two... or the obvious >questions like "how do you know it's X?" But in the end, even if my >question/problem is not answered I still will have learned something. > While I was lurking I sent him a piece of code (~10 lines) that if he thought it good, he might post to the list. He went off the wall and basically said I was a real big jerk and unjustifiably ripped every line in the code, on the list of course. He knew that I could not reply to the list as I informed he and the then administator. In my mind this was the act of a coward. I add two things here. 1. I never ever use my real identity 2. If Jeff Keyzer's archive was still around for lurkers I would not be here. > Unfortunately, in all of this, if Olin has already been removed, I doubt >inviting Olin back would do any good. I know I wouldn't come back, and so >for >that I mourn a valuable loss of knowledge and experience to this list. >Maybe >next time the complainers and maintainers will think before bannering >anyone. > I think everybody ought to thank James for doing his job. Remember that the cook in the lumber camp was always the last person that complained about the food. >Keith L. Kovala >klk@renderedelement.com My Tuppance Wally Barnacle >-- >http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: >[PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads _________________________________________________________________ Check out the great features of the new MSN 9 Dial-up, with the MSN Dial-up Accelerator. http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200361ave/direct/01/ -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads