> was anything said that others weren't thinking or wanting to > say themselves? The obvious and very significant difference is that they didn't put it in writing And although I thought the OP's post and approach a little unconventional, it was no great chore to take 2 minutes to produce a listing and encourage him to at least have another try with the same tools that most of us have -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads